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Dave Clements
Hello all,

We are considering offering a Software Carpentry / Data Carpentry Train the Trainer workshop immediately before GCC2016.  This workshop would run for two days, and accommodate 24 people.  

Why?

This idea came up at the GCC2015 GTN BoF.  Software and Data Carpentry (S/DC) teach scientists core essentials of programming and data management. Their model is to train and certify trainers, and then provide a common curriculum and teaching infrastructure that enables those trainers to teach scientists how to program and manage data well.

We think a S/DC Train the Trainer workshop would be a huge benefit to the Galaxy Training community for many reasons:
  • The researchers we teach bioinformatics and Galaxy to would also benefit from learning S/DC. Becoming certified S/DC instructors would give us additional (and extremely useful) topics that we could also teach to our communities.
  • The techniques presented in S/DC Train the Trainer workshops are equally applicable to bioinformatics and Galaxy training. Attending a S/DC TTT workshop would improve the training we already do. 
  • The organizational and compute infrastructure supporting S/DC might make an excellent model for the Galaxy Training Network. S/DC has embraced technologies like GitHub for storing, sharing, and maintaining training materials and best practices.  We can learn from their significant experience to make GTN a much more vibrant community.

But, Should We?

However, before we put in the organizational effort (and funds) to make a Train the Trainer workshop happen at GCC2016, we'd like to know what the Galaxy Training community thinks of this proposal.

In particular:

1. Are S/DC techniques and training methods a good match for Galaxy trainers?  

We'd especially like to hear from you if are a certified SC or DC instructor.


2. Is the S/DC content a good match for the researchers that we train?

We'd especially like to hear from anyone who has attended an S/DC workshop.


3. Might the S/DC organizational and infrastructure make a good model for GTN?


4. Would you likely attend a Train the Trainer workshop before GCC2016?

The workshop would be in Bloomington, Indiana, most likely offered on Thursday-Friday, June 23-24.  Registration would likely be between US$200 and $300. (And no, that would not cover the costs - the workshop would be subsidized by some combination of the project and the meeting.)


If and when we decide that this is a good idea, I'll start getting everything arranged to make this happen.  Ideally, we would have a decision within a week or two.

Thanks,

Dave C

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Re: GCC2016 and a Software/Data Carpentry Train the Trainer Session

Björn Grüning
Hi!

Am 23.09.2015 um 20:38 schrieb Dave Clements:

> Hello all,
>
> We are considering offering a Software Carpentry
> <https://software-carpentry.org/> / Data Carpentry
> <http://www.datacarpentry.org/> *Train the Trainer* workshop immediately
> before GCC2016 <http://galaxyproject.org/GCC2016>.  This workshop would run
> for two days, and accommodate 24 people.
>
> *Why?*
>
> This idea came up at the GCC2015 GTN BoF <http://bit.ly/gcc2015gtnbof>.
> Software and Data Carpentry (S/DC) teach scientists core essentials of
> programming and data management. Their model is to train and certify
> trainers, and then provide a common curriculum and teaching infrastructure
> that enables those trainers to teach scientists how to program and manage
> data well.
>
> We think a S/DC Train the Trainer workshop would be a huge benefit to the
> Galaxy Training community for many reasons:

+100!

>    - *The researchers we teach bioinformatics and Galaxy to would also
>    benefit from learning S/DC*. Becoming certified S/DC instructors would
>    give us additional (and extremely useful) topics that we could also teach
>    to our communities.
>    - *The techniques presented in S/DC Train the Trainer workshops are
>    equally applicable to bioinformatics and Galaxy training*. Attending a
>    S/DC TTT workshop would improve the training we already do.
>    - *The organizational and compute infrastructure supporting S/DC might
>    make an excellent model for the Galaxy Training Network*. S/DC has
>    embraced technologies like GitHub for storing, sharing, and maintaining
>    training materials and best practices.  We can learn from their significant
>    experience to make GTN a much more vibrant community.

I think this is a great idea! This could become a nice platform to share
more experiences between us.

>
> *But, Should We?*
>
> However, before we put in the organizational effort (and funds) to make a
> Train the Trainer workshop happen at GCC2016, we'd like to know what the
> Galaxy Training community thinks of this proposal.
>
> In particular:
>
> *1. Are S/DC techniques and training methods a good match for Galaxy
> trainers?*

Here I'm not sure. I think we are more User oriented than SC. You can be
an excellent trainer without all the stuff that is teached by SC and DC.
Maybe a trimmed down version of S/DC would be nice that perfectly fits
to Galaxy. I was thinking on teaching github (not necessary git), the
wiki and so on.


> We'd especially like to hear from you if are a certified SC or DC
> instructor.

No.

>
> *2. Is the S/DC content a good match for the researchers that we train?*
>
> We'd especially like to hear from anyone who has attended an S/DC workshop.
>
>
> *3. Might the S/DC organizational and infrastructure make a good model for
> GTN?*

I think so, yes.

> *4. Would you likely attend a Train the Trainer workshop before GCC2016?*
>
> The workshop would be in Bloomington, Indiana, most likely offered on
> Thursday-Friday, June 23-24.  Registration would likely be between US$200
> and $300. (And no, that would not cover the costs - the workshop would be
> subsidized by some combination of the project and the meeting.)

Maybe two days are to long, considering that a few of us are already
involved in the workshops during the GCC and hackathons ...
But yes I would be interested.

> If and when we decide that this is a good idea, I'll start getting
> everything arranged to make this happen.  Ideally, we would have a decision
> within a week or two.

Thanks Dave,
Bjoern

> Thanks,
>
> Dave C
>
>
>
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Re: GCC2016 and a Software/Data Carpentry Train the Trainer Session

Dave Clements
Hi Björn, all,

Including you, I've heard from 4 people saying that they are interested.  If anyone else is interested, or has comments, please let me know or respond to the list.  We'll only plan this if the interest level justifies it.

Yeah, two days of S/DC Train the Trainer workshop would extend the total GCC2016 Experience™ to 7 days.  However, I don't see a way around it.  Their training is two days long and I think it's pretty packed.  And I don't think that overlapping with either the Training Days or the Hackathons would be a good idea because of significant participation overlap.

Keep those response coming,

Dave C



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Re: GCC2016 and a Software/Data Carpentry Train the Trainer Session

Hans-Rudolf Hotz
Hi Dave and Bjoern

I am surprised, only 4 people have shown an interest so far. Maybe we
should extend the call to galaxy-dev?

We should be more than four, but even if we don't get the full '24', I
am pretty sure, it will be easy to fill up the remaining slots with a
public call. Software Carpentry / Data Carpentry Train the Trainer
workshop are usually sold out pretty quickly, aren't-they?

Regards, Hans-Rudolf


On 09/24/2015 07:15 PM, Dave Clements wrote:

> Hi Björn, all,
>
> Including you, I've heard from 4 people saying that they are
> interested.  If anyone else is interested, or has comments, please let
> me know or respond to the list.  We'll only plan this if the interest
> level justifies it.
>
> Yeah, two days of S/DC Train the Trainer workshop would extend the total
> /GCC2016 Experience™/ to 7 days.  However, I don't see a way around it.
> Their training is two days long and I think it's pretty packed.  And I
> don't think that overlapping with either the Training Days or the
> Hackathons would be a good idea because of significant participation
> overlap.
>
> Keep those response coming,
>
> Dave C
>
>
>
>
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Re: GCC2016 and a Software/Data Carpentry Train the Trainer Session

Mohammad Goodarzi
Hello, 

Can someone let me know the outline of the workshop and the place where it will be held?

Thanks
Mohammad 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Hans-Rudolf Hotz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Dave and Bjoern

I am surprised, only 4 people have shown an interest so far. Maybe we should extend the call to galaxy-dev?

We should be more than four, but even if we don't get the full '24', I am pretty sure, it will be easy to fill up the remaining slots with a public call. Software Carpentry / Data Carpentry Train the Trainer workshop are usually sold out pretty quickly, aren't-they?

Regards, Hans-Rudolf


On 09/24/2015 07:15 PM, Dave Clements wrote:
Hi Björn, all,

Including you, I've heard from 4 people saying that they are
interested.  If anyone else is interested, or has comments, please let
me know or respond to the list.  We'll only plan this if the interest
level justifies it.

Yeah, two days of S/DC Train the Trainer workshop would extend the total
/GCC2016 Experience™/ to 7 days.  However, I don't see a way around it.
Their training is two days long and I think it's pretty packed.  And I
don't think that overlapping with either the Training Days or the
Hackathons would be a good idea because of significant participation
overlap.

Keep those response coming,

Dave C




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Re: GCC2016 and a Software/Data Carpentry Train the Trainer Session

Hans-Rudolf Hotz
Hi Mohammad

I am not sure about the exact content of the Train the Trainer workshop,
but this page will give you some hints:

https://swcarpentry.github.io/training-course/

see also: http://software-carpentry.org/scf/index.html
           http://ivory.idyll.org/blog/2014-swc-toronto-training.html



As, the course would precede GCC2016, I assume the course will be at
Indiana University as well.


Regards, Hans-Rudolf

On 09/25/2015 08:19 AM, Mohammad Goodarzi wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Can someone let me know the outline of the workshop and the place where
> it will be held?
>
> Thanks
> Mohammad
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Hans-Rudolf Hotz <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Dave and Bjoern
>
>     I am surprised, only 4 people have shown an interest so far. Maybe
>     we should extend the call to galaxy-dev?
>
>     We should be more than four, but even if we don't get the full '24',
>     I am pretty sure, it will be easy to fill up the remaining slots
>     with a public call. Software Carpentry / Data Carpentry Train the
>     Trainer workshop are usually sold out pretty quickly, aren't-they?
>
>     Regards, Hans-Rudolf
>
>
>     On 09/24/2015 07:15 PM, Dave Clements wrote:
>
>         Hi Björn, all,
>
>         Including you, I've heard from 4 people saying that they are
>         interested.  If anyone else is interested, or has comments,
>         please let
>         me know or respond to the list.  We'll only plan this if the
>         interest
>         level justifies it.
>
>         Yeah, two days of S/DC Train the Trainer workshop would extend
>         the total
>         /GCC2016 Experience™/ to 7 days.  However, I don't see a way
>         around it.
>         Their training is two days long and I think it's pretty packed.
>         And I
>         don't think that overlapping with either the Training Days or the
>         Hackathons would be a good idea because of significant participation
>         overlap.
>
>         Keep those response coming,
>
>         Dave C
>
>
>
>
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Re: GCC2016 and a Software/Data Carpentry Train the Trainer Session

Simon Gladman
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Hi Dave et. al.,

I'd be interested as well. There may be a couple more from the land of Oz..

Cheers,

Simon.

On 25 September 2015 at 16:19, Mohammad Goodarzi <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello, 

Can someone let me know the outline of the workshop and the place where it will be held?

Thanks
Mohammad 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Hans-Rudolf Hotz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Dave and Bjoern

I am surprised, only 4 people have shown an interest so far. Maybe we should extend the call to galaxy-dev?

We should be more than four, but even if we don't get the full '24', I am pretty sure, it will be easy to fill up the remaining slots with a public call. Software Carpentry / Data Carpentry Train the Trainer workshop are usually sold out pretty quickly, aren't-they?

Regards, Hans-Rudolf


On 09/24/2015 07:15 PM, Dave Clements wrote:
Hi Björn, all,

Including you, I've heard from 4 people saying that they are
interested.  If anyone else is interested, or has comments, please let
me know or respond to the list.  We'll only plan this if the interest
level justifies it.

Yeah, two days of S/DC Train the Trainer workshop would extend the total
/GCC2016 Experience™/ to 7 days.  However, I don't see a way around it.
Their training is two days long and I think it's pretty packed.  And I
don't think that overlapping with either the Training Days or the
Hackathons would be a good idea because of significant participation
overlap.

Keep those response coming,

Dave C




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Re: GCC2016 and a Software/Data Carpentry Train the Trainer Session

Dave Clements
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Hi All,

The workshop would be in Bloomington, Indiana, at Indiana University, the same venue at GCC2016.

So far we have 6 people that are interested.  I don't think we need 24 +1's to schedule this, but the more we have that say they are interested, the easier this is to justify.  I'm not willing to take the plunge if we still have only 6 people interested in 2 more weeks.

I'm planning on including this in the October Newsletter, which is going out in less than a week.  I might also create a specific Galaxy News Item about this before then.

If we do this, I would also promote the workshop outside the Galaxy and IU communities, but only after advertising it through Galaxy and IU channels for at least a few weeks.

Thanks everyone,

Dave C



On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Dave Clements <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello all,

We are considering offering a Software Carpentry / Data Carpentry Train the Trainer workshop immediately before GCC2016.  This workshop would run for two days, and accommodate 24 people.  

Why?

This idea came up at the GCC2015 GTN BoF.  Software and Data Carpentry (S/DC) teach scientists core essentials of programming and data management. Their model is to train and certify trainers, and then provide a common curriculum and teaching infrastructure that enables those trainers to teach scientists how to program and manage data well.

We think a S/DC Train the Trainer workshop would be a huge benefit to the Galaxy Training community for many reasons:
  • The researchers we teach bioinformatics and Galaxy to would also benefit from learning S/DC. Becoming certified S/DC instructors would give us additional (and extremely useful) topics that we could also teach to our communities.
  • The techniques presented in S/DC Train the Trainer workshops are equally applicable to bioinformatics and Galaxy training. Attending a S/DC TTT workshop would improve the training we already do. 
  • The organizational and compute infrastructure supporting S/DC might make an excellent model for the Galaxy Training Network. S/DC has embraced technologies like GitHub for storing, sharing, and maintaining training materials and best practices.  We can learn from their significant experience to make GTN a much more vibrant community.

But, Should We?

However, before we put in the organizational effort (and funds) to make a Train the Trainer workshop happen at GCC2016, we'd like to know what the Galaxy Training community thinks of this proposal.

In particular:

1. Are S/DC techniques and training methods a good match for Galaxy trainers?  

We'd especially like to hear from you if are a certified SC or DC instructor.


2. Is the S/DC content a good match for the researchers that we train?

We'd especially like to hear from anyone who has attended an S/DC workshop.


3. Might the S/DC organizational and infrastructure make a good model for GTN?


4. Would you likely attend a Train the Trainer workshop before GCC2016?

The workshop would be in Bloomington, Indiana, most likely offered on Thursday-Friday, June 23-24.  Registration would likely be between US$200 and $300. (And no, that would not cover the costs - the workshop would be subsidized by some combination of the project and the meeting.)


If and when we decide that this is a good idea, I'll start getting everything arranged to make this happen.  Ideally, we would have a decision within a week or two.

Thanks,

Dave C

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Re: GCC2016 and a Software/Data Carpentry Train the Trainer Session

Tiago Rodrigues Antao
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:15:52 -0700
Dave Clements <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Including you, I've heard from 4 people saying that they are
> interested. If anyone else is interested, or has comments, please let
> me know or respond to the list.  We'll only plan this if the interest
> level justifies it.

My current training/teaching sessions around here is mostly introducing
people to galaxy. Definitely I am interested.
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Re: GCC2016 and a Software/Data Carpentry Train the Trainer Session

Dave Clements
Hello all,

Thanks to everyone who has responded thus far.  Counting Simon as 1, we have 7 people that are interested.* 

Please let me or the list know this week if you would be interested in attending, or have other feedback.

Thanks,

Dave C

* I also heard from one group that would be interested, but is likely to become certified before next summer.  So close!  But also good to hear. -)


On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Tiago Rodrigues Antao <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:15:52 -0700
Dave Clements <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Including you, I've heard from 4 people saying that they are
> interested. If anyone else is interested, or has comments, please let
> me know or respond to the list.  We'll only plan this if the interest
> level justifies it.

My current training/teaching sessions around here is mostly introducing
people to galaxy. Definitely I am interested.



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Re: GCC2016 and a Software/Data Carpentry Train the Trainer Session

Dave Clements
Hello all,

I'm going to drop the effort to get a Software/Data Carpentry Train the Trainer workshop just before GCC2016.  Hosting the workshop is on the expensive side, and just having 7+ people stating their interest at this time means it's just too much risk for the organizers.  

While that will be disappointing to many of us, you can still take Software / Data Carpentry Train the Trainer Training  (S/DCTTTT?) through other means.  See


Thanks to everyone who considered attending, and to all those who participated in the discussion.

Dave C



On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Dave Clements <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello all,

Thanks to everyone who has responded thus far.  Counting Simon as 1, we have 7 people that are interested.* 

Please let me or the list know this week if you would be interested in attending, or have other feedback.

Thanks,

Dave C

* I also heard from one group that would be interested, but is likely to become certified before next summer.  So close!  But also good to hear. -)


On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Tiago Rodrigues Antao <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:15:52 -0700
Dave Clements <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Including you, I've heard from 4 people saying that they are
> interested. If anyone else is interested, or has comments, please let
> me know or respond to the list.  We'll only plan this if the interest
> level justifies it.

My current training/teaching sessions around here is mostly introducing
people to galaxy. Definitely I am interested.



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